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Golden Oldie
3:18 Sat Nov 7
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So there we have it, endless lies repeated by the usual suspects.
We can all understand that the jews are especially happy Europe was brought to its knees and the subsequent years all nations flooded with uncontrolled immigration, the goys don't agree this was a particularly good thing for us.
Just so people never forget:
Here's actual testimony at Nuremberg and the source for the all the future tales told on Mengele
https://youtu.be/2b-nWt_OmJk
I believe Hitler wrote about this in his book, he titled this common practice as the big lie.
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Nurse Ratched
2:38 Sat Nov 7
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"What happened to the other Aussie Truther - forgotten his name?"
OLAS.
Dunno.
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plankton
12:57 Sat Nov 7
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"Not quite true. Our Air Defence network of radar stations, command and control functions, observers, etc was superb. had been built up in he 30's once radar had been discovered and found out how to exploit it."
The radar actually wasn't that superb at all, alas. Until Maurice Ponte escaped from France 6 weeks before the Germans arrived in Paris, crossing the Channel in April 1940 with the latest M16 cavity magnetron, British radar was nowhere near at the capability it needed to be. Despite those who believe that all things good about radar originated in Birmingham, the M16 was the final piece in a puzzle badly needed by UK scientists. And of course, as Ponte himself knew and accepted, that M16 magnetron was the culmination of several countries work, including France, Holland, Japan and the UK, and of many people's effort. Gutton, Posthumus, Megaw and Ponte himself amongst them.
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daveyg
12:49 Sat Nov 7
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If you want a great read on the alternative situation read Dominion by C J Sansom
Dominion is a 2012 alternate history novel by British author C. J. Sansom. It is a political thriller set in the early 1950s against the backdrop of a Britain that has become a satellite state of Nazi Germany. The Point of divergence from actual history is that Lord Halifax, rather than Winston Churchill, succeeded Neville Chamberlain as Prime Minister in May 1940.
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dicksie3
12:36 Sat Nov 7
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It was always an absolutely mental and ridiculously overambitious target for the Nazis to conquer Europe...
Yeah, the French falling was a huge scalp - and although they were caught cold by the element of surprise - a nation as large as France with its imperialist/war successes in the past should never have been taken...
Conquering Britain was an altogether even more difficult challenge for the Nazis... An island nation with the best naval force in the World - which helped conquer 2/3 of the planet in its prime - was a formidable opponent...
Of course, in order for the Nazis to even take-on that challenge; they had to defeat our air force - which they probably (and rightly) felt confident about as they had better planes and more of them as well... As we all know; they failed miserably to even achieve this first challenge to then even consider crossing the channel...
I'm no historian but I think that it was always a highly unlikely outcome that the Nazis could conquer Europe - including us, of course...
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Hammer and Pickle
12:36 Sat Nov 7
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arf! Darby_ , nice barb.
But laughter aside, of course war was declared on 1st of September 1939 because of Hitler's aggression on Poland only in the most formal and superficial sense. But mentor and his foggy-minded nationalists cannot see the real reason, because it lies squarely in exactly their foggy-minded nationalism.
However, the fact is that war became inevitable because the post-Versailles order of separate politically and economically rival European nation states had collapsed into various degrees of aggressive totalitarianism not only in Germany, but in Italy, Spain, Portugal, Poland and above all Russia as well. So the 2nd World War was fought in defence of democracy, the rule of law and open society against aggressive totalitarian nationalism.
At least part of the reason Britain and especially France were poorly prepared in 1939 was because the open society has many powerful enemies, and that is the case just as much today as it was then, as mentor and his ilk go to show.
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Westside
12:19 Sat Nov 7
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The Luftwaffe in 1940, did not have great anti war ship capability, unlike the Japanese and American forces 1942 onwards. The bulk of the Pacific casualties were big capital ships, not nimble, small, fast destroyers, which would have done the bulk of the anti invasion fighting. True the Luftwaffe sunk a load of ships at Dunkirk, but these were virtually stationery, not manouvering in open water.
Also the Luftwaffe had no night time anti ship capability. The RN was very effective at night fighting.
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Darby_
11:33 Sat Nov 7
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The Daily Mail really would be called the Daily Heil.
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11:28 Sat Nov 7
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Just to get things right Britain was underprepared not unprepared. An arms race had been going on for some time. Everyone knew conflict was coming.
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mentor
11:21 Sat Nov 7
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Westside
The day we ridiculously declared war on Germany because of an even more ridiculous pact with poland, we we unprepared. Thats why we stalled. In the mean time we signed a death warrant for Belgium, Holland and France as Hitler turned around to face his new enemy who didn't turn up.
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Hammer and Pickle
11:18 Sat Nov 7
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Westside 11:08 Sat Nov 7
Did the Sandhurst war games consider the Luftwaffe with air dominance? Because anyone who has considered how WW2 naval forces (the Pacific campaign) stood up to a massed air attack will not feel all that chipper about that scenario.
I'm afraid that after finishing of the RAF, the Luftwaffe would have been free to pick off the RN ships at its leisure as soon as they were in range protecting the Isles in the Channel and North Sea.
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nerd
11:09 Sat Nov 7
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We would not have owed so much money to the yanks.
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Westside
11:08 Sat Nov 7
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"We were totally unprepared, no doubt about it."
Not quite true. Our Air Defence network of radar stations, command and control functions, observers, etc was superb. had been built up in he 30's once radar had been discovered and found out how to exploit it.
Even if the Battle of Britain had been lost, a German invasion would have failed. It has been war gamed several times, the last at Sandhurst and the Germans lose every time. People forget what a powerful force the Royal Navy was then. It would have attacked the invasion force with a "steer straight ahead and damn the torpedoes" approach. It would have suffered immense casualties, but would have defeated the invasion force.
The Germans were un equipped for a D Day type amphibious assault. they had no landing craft (Think "Saving Private Ryan) and would have used river barges towed across the Channel. these would be swamped by the wash of warship, the Navy wouldn't even have had to use their guns!
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Hammer and Pickle
10:57 Sat Nov 7
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Some facts as an antidote to mentor's distortions:-
- once war was declared on 1st September 1939, the only l military and activity by the Allies was not until April 1940 when an expeditionary force was sent to Norway (and soon sent packing). That was apart from the Polish campaign in September.
- Germany was in a strategic alliance with the USSR at the time. Quite how the Poles were supposed to stand up to both Germany and Russia unassisted until France and Britain were "ready" is a mystery.
- Germany attacked France (and neutral Holland) on 10th May 1940 and arrived at an undefended Paris on 14th June. Initially, the Germans did not press their advantage to achieve the destruction of the British Expeditionary Force. Instead they had a breather till 5th June before pushing up to wrap up France a week later.
So a cool-headed analysis of the 1940 campaign indicates that interestingly the French were very much in two minds about fighting at all, and the British were hardly resolved to doing so, at least until Churchill took over as PM. Anyway, a glance at the state of play in Europe immediately before Operation Barbarossa should blow any delusions about an isolated Britain surviving against Germany more than a year had Hitler chosen not to attack the USSR.
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Willtell
9:08 Sat Nov 7
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No comedians, you have to follow orders, Arian racial purity, no Muslims or any religion come to that. Win win...
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stirlinghammer
9:04 Sat Nov 7
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Trains on time, better cars, less jews. Win, win, win
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Chigwell
8:37 Sat Nov 7
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I would not be here at all. You are all figments of my imagination so neither would you.
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stomper
5:16 Sat Nov 7
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ironsofcanada 5:08 Sat Nov 7
Totally agree, I'm just arguing with a person with a person who doesn't understand that sympathizing with Nazis, makes you a Nazi sympathizer.
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ironsofcanada
5:08 Sat Nov 7
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stomper 5:03 Sat Nov 7
Somewhat but if you go back and enforce the arms restrictions early on, there is not much to stop.
It came from a misunderstanding of how dangerous the Nazi leadership was and from a very understandable desire to not go to war again.
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stomper
5:03 Sat Nov 7
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ironsofcanada
Yes but we ceded all this land to Hitler when we really had no means to stop him. After Munich Britain started increasing its military and creating a modern air force.
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ironsofcanada
4:57 Sat Nov 7
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mentor 4:37 Sat Nov 7
An even better strategy would have been Britain not brokering a deal that handed Hitler more territory and sitting idly by when he took others or stopping him when he broke arms restrictions.
But hindsight as they say...
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